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    Are bows cheap?

    Post by Wisp on Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:15 pm

    Have i missed something? Or was the guy just being a sore loser? Just messaged me raging about being cheap. I started shooting him with my bow. He started throwing poison knives at me so i just kept shotting him the bow till he stopped. Then BS'd me, but i beat him with the bow in the end anyway. Shrug
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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by LordRevan on Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:21 pm

    Yeah bow's are pretty cheap, especially when using wooden arrows silly
    When you get towards the DragonSlayer bow though it can start to become pretty expensive... lol

    Nah, bows are in now way overpowered or cheap to use. He was just raging because he lost is all. In general all a bow does is give the opponent more opportunities.

    I'd even prefer if my enemies used a bow more often, would at least mix it up a little.


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by ICEFANG on Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:22 pm

    The Short Bow and Composite Bow are amazing, the Darkmoon Bow is ok, just the split damage isn't really worth it, and the Black Bow/Longbow are fairly worthless (in PvP). I think if you have the stats, and area, you should absolutely use a bow, amazing weapons indeed. Cheap? That's opinion, but they do have a clear advantage (range).


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by Rin on Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:27 pm

    i have a light crossbow in my left hand at +15 its ar is 374 its amazing


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by Wisp on Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:27 pm

    Thanks lordRevan.

    Thanks for the infro, but not that relevant ICEFANG Hurrah
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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by RANT on Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:30 pm

    yeah what ice said, the short and comp bow are amazing for pvp. te long and [pharis bow can be good too for pvp, i recently started to bring my dex to 12 on my sstr builds just for it, it makes up for the lack of magic.


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by LordRevan on Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:30 pm

    No problem, here to help happy


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by Rin on Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:32 pm

    yeh, ICEFANG your useful bow related info is useless, mean its not like we are talking about bows :roll:


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by ICEFANG on Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:32 pm

    I evaluate cheapness on weapon effectiveness, and this is in the PvP section


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by LordRevan on Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:36 pm

    I think he just wanted a general opinion on if we think bows are cheap. Such as how we consider healing, or TWoP etc. Rather than which ones are good.

    That's all he meant... I think :suspect:


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by Rin on Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:41 pm

    hmmmm, 'cheap' thats hard to explain well its realy just opinion, i dont think any1 on the forums think bows are realy cheap but if that dude thinks they are cheap then to him they are :|


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by Wisp on Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:41 pm

    I was just checking if bows were generally considered cheap and I hadn't noticed, or if the guy was just being a whiny sore loser. Thank you for your replies.
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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by reim0027 on Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:52 pm

    They aren't cheap, just really annoying to fight. All someone does is run away and shoot. As soon as the other gets close enough to hit, then bow user runs away and reapeats.


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by IV_Mark_VI on Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:09 pm

    How is this bow user running away constantly without you catching him/hitting him? An arrow vs m ost weapons, the weapon wins. So trade blows with the bow!


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by reim0027 on Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:27 pm

    The people I fight will get their distance and aim and wait. If I get close enough to them, they will roll away and repeat. When it is safe, they'll fire. When I get too close, they'll roll. Extremely annoying.


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by Glutebrah on Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:29 pm

    i recently discovered bows in my dex build and its fun


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by IV_Mark_VI on Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:30 pm

    Have you tried having more stamina than them?

    If they have more stamina than you, you're in trouble. But if you take cover and switch rings to the Clor ring, or have the Grasscrest shield, or any other combination that pumps your stamina regen, you should be able to catch them.

    The other thing to do is just hide around a corner and play a waiting game. If you've invaded them, eventually another invader will come. Don't play on their terms...


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by Ghadis_God on Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:34 pm

    I fought a bow user hosting in the forest once; he was shooting poison arrows at me to prevent me from turtling, and anytime I got remotely close to him he would pull out a light rapier and HR backstab me; he was really good at pivot bs and had some poise. It certainly didn't help that I was charging him down in an attempt to kill him. That felt kind of cheap, but only because he was forcing me to play his way, and if I tried to stop his bow tactics he would just chainstab me.


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by IV_Mark_VI on Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:43 pm

    Did you try using cover...? Or going to the bridge area? If he doesn't follow you, heal.


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by reim0027 on Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:45 pm

    I'm always playing at 40 end. They win on the stamina war since they are standing still while I try to get to them.

    As far as waiting around the corner, that is possible, as is circle strafing. I find that boring.


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by IV_Mark_VI on Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:51 pm

    Yep. Bore them into playing your way. That's what I do.

    I also usually have two sources of stamina regen; for example. shield and popping grass. I have no issues with bows... not even with my characters that no shield whatsoever.


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by WyrmHero on Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:35 pm

    Yes bows are cheap, the best way to counter them is turtling.


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by Spurgun on Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:36 pm

    And do what exactly? Wait for them to run out of arrows?

    Bows aren't cheap. They're just a bit different. I always lock off and manually aim a running attack at bow users.
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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by WyrmHero on Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:43 pm

    And miss, cause they'll dodge back. They are one of the most annoying weapons, almost as annoying as spears. It's actually good almost no one uses them.


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by Spurgun on Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:45 pm

    I often hit them, sine i almost always use a scythe/halberd/GS/murakamo. All of them have good running attacks. especially since i can aim manually to where they roll.

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