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    My fellow invaders.

    Post by Forum Pirate on Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:13 pm

    Darkmoon purge the guilty, however if the world i invade is invaded by a darkwraith i have a dilemma. kill the wraith and risk a1v2 or a 1v1v2 with host/phantoms or help him? the hunter/gravelord truce has inspired me, so while it wont be as benefitial as theirs is, i suggest to my fellow invaders, dm/dw specificly, that as long as neither of you is the host, you work together to kill the host, everybody wins, you are after all both after/rewarded for his death and you are better prepared to deal with potential sunbros. the wraiths would be safer from our invasions in londo and we get allies against farmers in londo. win win. what say you fellow inhabitants of the dark?


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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by Zechk on Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:17 pm

    I say 'This is a pvp question so it goes in the pvp forum!'

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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by Tolvo on Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:19 pm

    That's typically how I treat it when I'm a Forest Hunter Phantom and I see a Darkwraith invade, I work with them. Once or twice I have accidentally backstabbed them due to lag though, and I just felt terrible. :pale: Especially since I usually die right after.
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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by nhbdy on Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:20 pm

    I say this will never happen, just a bit of prediction, foresight, and the fact that countless others have proposed this very truce and yet it gets nowhere
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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by Tolvo on Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:26 pm

    I'd disagree actually, I've only once had to fight a Darkwraith, and that was because I accidentally hit him first so he assumed I was hostile. Other than that usually me and any other invader team up on the host, though whenever I see another person usually we're up against two or three people, so that's probably why.
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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by nhbdy on Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:32 pm

    Well as an addendum to my above post, you may get this community to go with it (most here favor helping eachother out it seems) but with the large quantity of rather random invaders and the general mentality of them (as seen on many other forums, the gamefaq one being particularly bad about this) you'll never get the ability to safely trust the other invader to the point where it's wise to assume he won't BS you the first chance he gets.
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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by Tolvo on Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:36 pm

    That's actually kind of the funny part, if I ever do end up side by side with a person that would just BS me, they could easily do it. I always trust my fellow invaders, so really if they wanted to I wouldn't be even in the right thought to stop them. Probably when I get to SL 120, I'll see more of it, and start having to be more cautious with PvP.
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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by nhbdy on Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:42 pm

    Tolvo wrote:That's actually kind of the funny part, if I ever do end up side by side with a person that would just BS me, they could easily do it. I always trust my fellow invaders, so really if they wanted to I wouldn't be even in the right thought to stop them. Probably when I get to SL 120, I'll see more of it, and start having to be more cautious with PvP.

    Words to the wise: "Trust no one" "No good deed goes unpunished"

    In the end it all depends on the person, which is chosen randomly, there are unwritten rules for certain places and covenants and the like, but whether or not the person follows them is another story.

    Personally I am a GL (as you may have read in my topic on the subject) and I put great value on honor and decency, but know to never expect it to the point where you are vulnerable. That said I will never breach the rule of "do the honorable thing" unless I am either in an area known for it's lawlessness *cough*forest*cough* or against someone who breached that rule first.
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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by Tolvo on Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:46 pm

    I'm the same way, I do keep a Lightning Zweihander fully upgraded on one of my characters, and have it equipped. But I only switch to it, WoG and try and Stagger Kill if I see them doing something which I find to be really cheap. Usually I use a bow to scout out my enemy before letting them see me, so I check what I'm up against. I see two Honey Covered guys in Giants with Huge Weapons and a Host with a Father's Mask and Smough's Armor, well time for me to equip Hornets and a Crit Weapon go for a BS. I see some lone guy that wants to duel me, Grass Shield, Uchiga, and time for a proper duel.
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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by DxV04 on Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:48 pm

    To DW and DMBs... as a gravelord I have been on the receiving end of these team attacks by your covenants. I am fine with that, it is what true gravelords dig.

    But in the forest is best if you leave us alone so we can fulfill our duty to our counter parts in the truce..

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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by nhbdy on Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:49 pm

    DxV04 wrote:To DW and DMBs... as a gravelord I have been on the receiving end of these team attacks by your covenants. I am fine with that, it is what true gravelords dig.

    But in the forest is best if you leave us alone so we can fulfill our duty to our counter parts in the truce..

    Thanks.

    ... aaaand no clue what you just said...
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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by Garlicki on Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:01 pm

    I guess most sunbros are asshats or something....I want to kill bosses. I have fun doing that. If the player I am with is actually trying to kill the boss. Gloves are off. if the person I am playing with is just camping invaders.....i normally leave or let them 1v1. To be honest...the only time I think I have ever backstabbed someone is when they buff. you have time to do that before we start the battle.... at least that is how I feel.
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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by Blazefury on Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:17 pm

    Depends. Some people bow before they buff, some buff before they bow. I'll just wait on both occasions.


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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by DxV04 on Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:38 pm

    nhbdy wrote:
    DxV04 wrote:To DW and DMBs... as a gravelord I have been on the receiving end of these team attacks by your covenants. I am fine with that, it is what true gravelords dig.

    But in the forest is best if you leave us alone so we can fulfill our duty to our counter parts in the truce..

    Thanks.

    ... aaaand no clue what you just said...

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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by CrackSouls on Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:08 pm

    I like all your points and I feel bad for saying "no" to your idea... but I will never pass up the opportunity of a 1v1v1 when I see it. It's soooooo fuuuuuuuuuun!


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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by DxV04 on Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:27 pm

    CrackSouls wrote:I like all your points and I feel bad for saying "no" to your idea... but I will never pass up the opportunity of a 1v1v1 when I see it. It's soooooo fuuuuuuuuuun!

    What is a 1v1v1? You wait your turn? Is that what you are talking bout?
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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by Harlequin on Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:27 pm

    I've always viewed it as "If you have the same goal why not help each other out". I've always loved it when a Darkwraith invades the forest with me! My favourite moments in PVP are not when I kill a host, but when I've distracted the Sunbro while the other person kills the host. (Particularly the ones that are obviously way stronger than me)


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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by DxV04 on Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:33 pm

    the ends justify the means? hehe
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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by strangejoy on Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:55 pm

    DxV04 wrote:
    CrackSouls wrote:I like all your points and I feel bad for saying "no" to your idea... but I will never pass up the opportunity of a 1v1v1 when I see it. It's soooooo fuuuuuuuuuun!

    What is a 1v1v1? You wait your turn? Is that what you are talking bout?

    1v1v1 is when a blue, a red, and a host all face each other simultaneously. Everyone is trying to kill everyone else. Anyone can damage anyone, and you can try to kill both sides at once with a well placed firestorm or other AOE attack. If you engage one of your two enemies, you risk a backstab from the other, and they face the same risks. It really is pretty fun, but it's unstable given the likelihood that backstabs will kill one of the players fairly quickly. As far as I know, the forest gives you the best probability of a 1v1v1.
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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by DxV04 on Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:08 pm

    Ah! well I just did not think that was possible since at one time or another it turns into 2 vs 1 but now that you explained it that way I can see how it CAN happen. Joy
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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by Yesuurd on Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:37 pm

    It's all about numbers, if there are 2 then we work together if there is one I stand back,
    killing the host is the goal because they take the gang phantoms with them.


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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by lorenzo110 on Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:38 am

    I find these truces funny. Because since I been playing any red and blue co op has always lead to one back stabbing the other while the summoner is slowly fading away. I have played well over 2000 hours and have only seen this happen all the time. One gets mad because while they try to kill the summoner the other pops off wrath that also effects them so they take it as being treacherous and return in kind. So word to the wise those who enjoy the invaders roll....trust no one...period. This is a game where only only best interest is self interest, especially when it comes to being invaders. Just my opin coming from hours and hours of experaince in this game.
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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by Blazefury on Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:59 am

    I've never been hit by a Darkwraith at the Forest. I like when they join since I can take on the Sunbro one on one. I'd rather die without killing the host and taking the sunbro down with me than having a succesful invasion at times.


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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by DxV04 on Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:12 am

    lorenzo110 wrote:I find these truces funny. Because since I been playing any red and blue co op has always lead to one back stabbing the other while the summoner is slowly fading away. I have played well over 2000 hours and have only seen this happen all the time. One gets mad because while they try to kill the summoner the other pops off wrath that also effects them so they take it as being treacherous and return in kind. So word to the wise those who enjoy the invaders roll....trust no one...period. This is a game where only only best interest is self interest, especially when it comes to being invaders. Just my opin coming from hours and hours of experaince in this game.

    so you think the gravelord truce with forest hunters is funny also?

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    Re: My fellow invaders.

    Post by lorenzo110 on Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:37 am

    The only truce that works are blue and blue. Any other invasion combo is just asking for treacherous results. Unless both the red and blue are on each others buddies list and are working together as a team and knowing what they can and cant do during an invasion. That will work, other then that no it doesnt becuase your putting your faith on someone hoping they will be ethical. It doesnt work that way. And most of the times they will only act in their self interest not yours. If netting them even more souls requires putting you down, believe me they will do it. Period.

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