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    Re: PTD Fixes/Nerfs/Etc... [NO LORE SPOILERS]

    Post by Revoltage on Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:37 pm

    No I don't think so. The only weapons with decreased swingspeed seem to be the greatswords, not including the ultra greatswords.


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    Re: PTD Fixes/Nerfs/Etc... [NO LORE SPOILERS]

    Post by dancash1808 on Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:39 pm

    Why would they nerf BKGA I mean it needs buffing just as much as katanas did.


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    Re: PTD Fixes/Nerfs/Etc... [NO LORE SPOILERS]

    Post by XuitusTheGreat on Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:42 pm

    It's THE ganker weapon its more cookie cutter than a havel mlgs combo


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    Re: PTD Fixes/Nerfs/Etc... [NO LORE SPOILERS]

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:53 pm

    Someone didn't get the sarcasm, they really should have slowed down the BKGA speed. From what ive seen it looks like they actually buffed the BK halberd, it seems to be a lot faster. May just be my imagination though.
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    Post by XuitusTheGreat on Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:56 pm

    then to everyone dropping their poise cause gs dont stun lock....ur gonna get stunned hard.....a lot sigh by gankers

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    Re: PTD Fixes/Nerfs/Etc... [NO LORE SPOILERS]

    Post by dancash1808 on Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:15 pm

    BKGA never stunlocked me one on one to the best of my knowledge. I have been pinballed by two people with them a couple of times and boy was that embarrasing but the normal 1 on 1 attacks no...


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    Post by Seignar on Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:24 pm

    It's a move only Chester can do, not the player apparently. I wish you could do that though, it looks cool.
    Lies! There is obviously a super secret that will allow you to learn how to sweep kick like the Marvelous Chester!

    *Cough* I mean, anything a phantom can do, a player can do too. It could be as hidden as pursuers or the Darkwraith covenant.

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    Post by Revoltage on Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:35 pm

    Maybe the guardian soul has something to do with it! LOL it's a bit of a stretch but no one has figured out what the heck that soul is for yet. But there are so many secrets in this game that you can't be sure about anything at all.
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    Re: PTD Fixes/Nerfs/Etc... [NO LORE SPOILERS]

    Post by callipygias on Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:33 pm

    Hey Zigg, could you add the BKGA "hidden" nerf to the OP? You can see the info in the thread. Maybe if we find more you could make a separate category for the hidden changes.


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    Re: PTD Fixes/Nerfs/Etc... [NO LORE SPOILERS]

    Post by Revoltage on Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:42 pm

    Yeah I can do that. If more hidden changes come up i'll definitely make another list section for them. The BKGA swingspeed nerf is what you're talking about right?


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    Re: PTD Fixes/Nerfs/Etc... [NO LORE SPOILERS]

    Post by callipygias on Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:48 pm



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    Re: PTD Fixes/Nerfs/Etc... [NO LORE SPOILERS]

    Post by SnailsAndSlugs on Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:50 pm

    Yeah, damage. Swing speed hasn't changed.
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    Re: PTD Fixes/Nerfs/Etc... [NO LORE SPOILERS]

    Post by Revoltage on Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:21 am

    Ok I've added a new category to the list: "hidden changes". Callipygias I read in the thread you linked that rapiers might have changed also. SnailsAndSlugs can you elaborate?

    Anyway, I'll keep an eye out for anything that seems different. Thanks for the heads up about that info btw!


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    Re: PTD Fixes/Nerfs/Etc... [NO LORE SPOILERS]

    Post by SnailsAndSlugs on Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:45 am

    I haven't actually analyzed this "scientifically". I've only observed that rapier class weapons seem to have higher poise damage when 2 handed. If I can think of a way to test this I will, but for now, I wouldn't suggest adding it to the list.

    I've observed that I can be stunned at 76 poise with 2-3 hits from a 2H estoc in PvP. I know that didn't happen on consoles.
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    Post by ICEFANG on Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:24 pm

    I will continue to test, but I think stability is now important for deciding if your shield can or can't withstand a dragon roar. I also have started staggering people at +3 dragonbro, but I have to fight more people to tell for sure.


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    Re: PTD Fixes/Nerfs/Etc... [NO LORE SPOILERS]

    Post by Xardas on Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:43 pm

    Hi. I am new here and new to the game. Can’t compare PC and PS3 I don’t play console games. One thing got me curios. I was watching ytube video of some guy killing Sif at LVL30 and then he shows his stats. His total hit points 837 and vitality 16. I have about same HP amount and vitality is 22.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJzQx_zEGoM

    In Wiki boss strategy for the demon in Undead Asylum somebody recommend to use Iron Flesh. This person owns me 11 humanity and 22k of souls. My paromancer was lvl 50 with 800 hp in elite knight +5 armor and lvl 15 glove. It took demon 2 hits to kill him.



    In my game I can’t fully block Sif hits and my shield is better in comparison.

    Also wiki mentioned black knight in Asylum but there are 2 and both drop red titanite chunk and a weapon for me. Humanity 11 no ring

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    Post by ublug on Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:56 pm

    He wears the ring of favor and protection, which gives a 20% increase to health and stamina.
    The video is from around game release, before the game was patched. His shield is the hollow soldier shield, and it had the best stability of all the medium shields before it was nerfed.
    The Iron Flesh spell was also way too powerful at launch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UdcKGWmZMs
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    Post by StockpileThomas on Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:06 pm

    I'm glad they nerfed the BKGA. If I had to choose one weapon in the game that I thought was "cheap," that would be it. I only use it when I want to murder a boss quickly or stun-lock a tank to pieces. It's clownishly strong at the moment.

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    Post by Xardas on Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:32 pm

    ublug wrote:He wears the ring of favor and protection, which gives a 20% increase to health and stamina.
    The video is from around game release, before the game was patched. His shield is the hollow soldier shield, and it had the best stability of all the medium shields before it was nerfed.
    The Iron Flesh spell was also way too powerful at launch: [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UdcKGWmZMs
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UdcKGWmZMs[/quote[/url]]

    TY for the video. LOL

    I guess more or less all easy boss strategies based on shields and spells are obsolete now and some of bosses even have different behavior patterns.

    Is there any reason to upgrade from BK sword to BK greatsword? I have both and in stats don’t see really big difference to justify spending souls to upgrade BKGS and str especially considering BKG is slower. I can see a lot of discussions which weapon is better. Almost everybody prefer elemental weapons emphasizes on lighting but isn’t it better to have higher physical dmg weapon and apply necessary temporary buffs for boss fights. I have 26 str and with +5 BKS can singleshoot stone knights and need 2 hits to kill infested barbarians.

    I think best weapon in the game is regular spear if you have patience for long fights. Even fully upgraded it newer have very high dmg but lets you stay behind the shield and have better reach comparing to swords. Somebody recommended pike instead but it is too long to be comfortable in a lot of situations.

    Of course there is no uberstick in the game each mob needs different weapon and approach.
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    Post by fujiphoenix on Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:07 pm

    StockpileThomas wrote:I'm glad they nerfed the BKGA. If I had to choose one weapon in the game that I thought was "cheap," that would be it. I only use it when I want to murder a boss quickly or stun-lock a tank to pieces. It's clownishly strong at the moment.


    But its the easiest weapon in the game to parry...
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    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:06 am

    I disagree, it is easy to parry but a good player can easily avoid it. A good BKGA user wants you to try and parry, so they can either parry punish and bs you or dead angle you. I honestly think it should have kept its damage but act like all other axes and stagger you if you miss.
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    Post by OrnsteinBro on Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:21 am

    Good BKGA players... where exactly do you find them, lol?

    The only BKGA players I ever see on XBL are flipping tanks looking for a hornet's backstab.


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    Post by XuitusTheGreat on Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:24 pm

    OrnsteinBro wrote:Good BKGA players... where exactly do you find them, lol?

    The only BKGA players I ever see on XBL are flipping tanks looking for a hornet's backstab.

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    Post by Spurgun on Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:25 pm

    ^Can't see anything.
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    Post by ICEFANG on Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:36 pm

    I think he is in complete agreement and added nothing but a requote.


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