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    Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by DarkW17 on Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:48 am

    As requested here is my Rapier comparison video...its with a 40/40 build the AR of the rapiers is as follows:

    chaos +5 - 411. Rpstl dmg - 1589
    reg +15 - 352. Rpstl dmg - 1588

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apwuFMp-X2A


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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by Maneater_Mildred on Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:13 pm

    Numbers were too small to read on my phone... Can you please sum up.


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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by Glutebrah on Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:05 pm

    if you compare only Riposte/BS damage then yea elemental will out damage it since i am 99% sure those attacks ignore defenses. if you did a damage test on normal attacks the +15 would do more


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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by RANT on Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:12 pm

    LMAO all that armor for nohing, he must've been like why u no work giant set?!!


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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by Rifter7 on Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:21 pm

    thanks for the info..

    i just can't believe you bowed after you beat those guys like that ahahahah..


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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by DarkW17 on Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:46 pm

    The dmg output was identical lol that's the whole point of the post...at 40/40 the chaos does not do more critical dmg than reg +15 even tho the AR is way higher....the reg +15 did 1588 and the chaos did 1589 a difference of 1hp!!!

    Also yes the +15 will always do a bit higher normnal attack. But everyone seems to think chaos does more crit dmg than reg because of the higher AR....the point here is it doesn't at all!!


    Lol Rifter not those guys THAT guy it was the same guy same armor in back to back summons....he kept summoning me everytime he was lag hornets bsing a red...then he would get me after I out played him....I put the hornets on to teach the troll a lesson...he didn't summon me after the 2nd time I don't know why?

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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by Maneater_Mildred on Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:50 pm

    Thanks I can read those numbers cheers


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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by TehInfamousAmos on Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:52 pm

    The reason most people use an elemental rapier is infact for chip damage through shields when people reach low HP and start turtling - at least that was how I thought they were supposed to be used.


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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by Forum Pirate on Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:53 pm

    This, and reim/yessurds tests show that its all in the ar. It seems to be multiplied, rather than ignoring defenses. This means defense is still factored, which means that regular out crits elemental when the ars get fairly close.


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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by Glutebrah on Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:01 pm

    I thought the chaos damage was +1600 something my bad


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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:12 pm

    I use a +15 rapier over an elemental with my 30/40 build. It does more dmg on normal attacks, i have noticed that critical attacks the elemental was doing slightly more. It varys though, and like you said its not a huge difference
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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by Noob-of-Artorias on Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:21 pm

    Ahhhh, but a +15 can be buffed for MASSIVE DAMAGE!


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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by RANT on Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:25 pm

    Noob-of-Artorias wrote:Ahhhh, but a +15 can be buffed for MASSIVE DAMAGE!

    you would think so but its actually not that much of a difference since the buff doesnt get multiplied, i was very disappointed with this when i went up against gankers.


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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by DarkW17 on Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:43 pm

    Ya sadly adding the buff does affect the dmg delt by the crit....but its not mulitplied like you would think and doesn't add that much more!!

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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by RANT on Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:56 pm

    ok i give up, im not waiting for four months, where can i take a look at all the weapons glatts cause i wanna know.


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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by DarkW17 on Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:19 pm

    I think with all the people streaming you should be able to watch someone play on Twitch.tv for abit or just youtube it up?


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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by Forum Pirate on Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:58 pm

    but each time the weapon ddoes damage, the buffs damage is added if I remember right. So a buffed butcher knife bs is going to really hurt becaust the buff will do 600+ all by it self yeah?


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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by DarkW17 on Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:47 pm

    Well most buffs add 300-400 dmg...dmb +3 being the highest at 2.1 x talimans AR with most peoples taliman AR at +/- 200 it usually comes in around 400 or so!

    The way I understand buffed BS's is only that 400 dmg is added to the BS but I could be wrong?

    Would be interesting to test with like a broken sword or something that does little dmg by itself!!


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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by Forum Pirate on Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:50 pm

    I was made to believe it applies each time the weapon makes contact, so it would be adding the damage between 1 and 3 times, depending on the weapon and wether or not the hring is involved.


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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by DarkW17 on Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:18 pm

    Oh really forum you know that makes sense so on a hornet ring parry with a great club you would actually apply the buff 3 times....damn no wonder it hits so hard!

    Good to know I always kinda wondered about that!!!


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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by reim0027 on Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:22 pm

    If anyone wants to test thing, I have a build that has 40/40 and 50/50. I can bring a bunch of weapons and their elemental counterparts. We can test 2 different buffs (SLB and CMW) and some of the lesser buffs (GMW, MW, resins) and elementals.

    The down side is this toon has a SL of 380, so someone would have to get near that level.


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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by Forum Pirate on Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:24 pm

    Can't, or I would. No highspeed atm.


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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by reim0027 on Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:30 pm

    If you get it, let me know. This build isn't going anywhere. I'm having way too much fun killing forest gankers with it. We can even break a few crystal weapons (acid surge maybe) and really test the buffs out.


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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by Rifter7 on Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:49 pm

    i can probably test some stuff out. i've been having trouble holding up my damned video recorder to record frames of certain attacks and what not, so maybe i could record someone else instead, too.


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    Re: Damage test chaos +5 vs +15 rapier with 40/40 build

    Post by Gaxe on Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:49 pm

    But you can buff a +15..... silly

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