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    Countering cheap tactics

    Post by Rin on Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:26 am

    So just to help anyone that has trouble with the pvp in dark souls i wish for us to share all we know about countering 'cheap' tactics used by other players.... so ill start...

    TWoP... i might not be used that much but its annoying as hell and i know of 3 ways to counter this spell...

    1. you can just run away TWoP dosent last to long and if you get the timing right to can start running at its caster in the last 2 sec of its duration for a bs

    2. it can also be countered by casting your own TWoP

    3 VoS a miracle found in the painted world it can be used to stop its casting but also it stops its effect even after TWoP has been casted once again you can bs the caster as he/she will most likely have no idea whats going on


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    Re: Countering cheap tactics

    Post by Glutebrah on Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:30 am

    chaos fire storm / Great combustion spam works if i get caught in it


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    Re: Countering cheap tactics

    Post by Rin on Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:32 am

    yep also shielding and spamming r1 but they are less effective against gangers...


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    Re: Countering cheap tactics

    Post by Tolvo on Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:55 am

    WotG, or Force.
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    Re: Countering cheap tactics

    Post by Rifter7 on Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:21 am

    css them 2-3 times as they kneel to cast it.


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    Re: Countering cheap tactics

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:23 pm

    When I'm in the forest, I have TWoP in my magic slot. I cast it when they do. Also, get against a wall and parry.

    MLGS spammers/WoG spammers - GMB works wonders. I have that one in the Forest too.


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    Re: Countering cheap tactics

    Post by Forum Pirate on Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:57 pm

    simply using a zweihander or murakumo renders is mostly useless if they're hunting for backstabs. Quick weapons can piviot as they swing to prevent backstabs as well.

    I wouldn't say twop is cheap though, especially with the prevolance of rollpokers with thrust weapons. Shuts them down hard, so I can actually hit them. Its really only super damaging to builds that rely heavily on dodging constantly, as being dodge happy is a super common thing, twop hate is a super common thing. Fight with a zweihander and a mid roll for a while, twop will hardly affect you as long as you remember that you can jump attack or use a greatshield to handle spell spam.


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    Re: Countering cheap tactics

    Post by Ghadis_God on Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:18 am

    I'm not afraid of Twop 1 on 1, there are many ways of cancelling it, but against a gank it gets pretty vicious. Also, against WoG+Twop, there's little you can do if you don't have the Stone or Havel's Greatshield.


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    Re: Countering cheap tactics

    Post by Forum Pirate on Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:23 am

    its usefulness in ganks is no reason to hate something, everything is far more dangerous in ganks.

    Parry. The timing will be super predictable so it actually works to intentionally parry wog while i'm twoped. Thats the only time it works for me, but it works there.


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    Re: Countering cheap tactics

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:27 am

    For today Im totally on Rin's side in all things. My awesome Ciaran Avatar is thanks to him.... I think....

    But actually I have been considering taking back up the TWoP as a miracle... i mean I know it used to be power full but ten seconds of slow movement is nothing to serious....if they can even get you with it


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    Re: Countering cheap tactics

    Post by Ghadis_God on Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:30 am

    Forum Pirate wrote:its usefulness in ganks is no reason to hate something, everything is far more dangerous in ganks.

    Parry. The timing will be super predictable so it actually works to intentionally parry wog while i'm twoped. Thats the only time it works for me, but it works there.
    When did I say I hated it? In a gank I counter cast it with SLB on, at the very least they think twice about attacking me and at the best it's my kill.


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    Re: Countering cheap tactics

    Post by Seignar on Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:34 am

    Your best bet against TWoP is running away, but if you can't:

    1) If they go for a backstab, time your swings perfectly so you hit them as they backstab, causing a backstab cancel. You'll need a long horizontal weapon for this. Some people have said daggers work wonders for this stuff.

    2) If they spam some super spell; block. Usually, Havel's Shields work wonder for anything, but second choices can be Black Knight Shield or crystal ring shield. Another option is Vow of Silence. However, in this situation you can consider yourself in big trouble.if not well prepared.

    3) Force or WoG them out of range.

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    Re: Countering cheap tactics

    Post by Forum Pirate on Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:40 am

    I didn't say you did. I was furthering my point, not arguing yours.

    I just unlock and either start an aoe cast, attack them, or turtle depending on that they're doing.



    With practice one doesn't need to bs cancle, fight unlocked and piviot as you swing to both land the blow and stay facing the opponent, you'll need to be using a fast weapon or a weapon like the zweihander/murakumo with arcing swings for that though.


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    Re: Countering cheap tactics

    Post by Ghadis_God on Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:44 am

    Sorry Forum, I just assumed you were since it was posted right after mine when you'd already posted an opinion tongue


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    Re: Countering cheap tactics

    Post by cloudyeki on Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:47 am

    Fire Tempest. Roast them twisted


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    Re: Countering cheap tactics

    Post by Forum Pirate on Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:52 am

    I'll try to be more obvious in the future. This kind of thing happens to me a lot.

    Try the parry thing though, it only works for me while twoped because they're so predictable when I'm twoped, but its halarious to watch someone use 2 full wog stacks and do less than the damage 1 hit would cause.


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    Re: Countering cheap tactics

    Post by Ghadis_God on Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:56 am

    I'll give it a try, what's the parry timing for the miracle? When they first start to cast?


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    Re: Countering cheap tactics

    Post by Forum Pirate on Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:36 pm

    I generally try to parry as their hands are at their chest but thats just me. Lag plays a big part, as always.


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    Post by Nasurek on Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:40 am

    When I see a 1 on 1 use TWoP I think goodie, coz your normal shield breaks that spell.
    all you have to do is backpedal and with your shield up then all they can do is shield break but they will probs be running for a backstab, However if they do go for a shield break thats when you get a rare opportunity for a PvP parry, either you can spam parry or time it correctly for a parry and make that guy(who probs loses alot anyways other wise he wouldnt need it) rage as even his prime tactic is torn to shreds.
    if you cant PvP parry(which is fair enough) watch this video by Phantom ewgf who is an awsome guy and his videos taught me how to pvp. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKwaL9v5wqg

    My most hated thing in pvp is hornet ring spammers and two handed orsteins spear users, its less talked about but it infuriates me even more than a TWoP+WOG+ gangbangs combined.
    TWoP gang bangs are impossible just run away or your screwed. dont worry their TWoP+gangbashing bastards they wont hold it to you
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    Re: Countering cheap tactics

    Post by reim0027 on Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:42 pm

    When I'm in the Forest, TWoP = BS. I counter it by running away or casting TWoP myself.


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