Gwyndolin is a slave (Debunked)

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    Re: Gwyndolin is a slave (Debunked)

    Post by Shkar on Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:15 pm

    Hm. In most mythologies, Gods have incredible control over the appearance. Maybe Gwyndolin subconsciously MADE himself have those tentacles because he thought he was hideous?


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    Re: Gwyndolin is a slave (Debunked)

    Post by Phantasmio on Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:02 pm

    I could see both being plausible. Tough finding facts or good theories to help give weight to a side! I think the whole Seath experiment could make sense because those tentacle monsters that Seath created from his experiments with maidens kinda look similar to Gwyndolin's tentacles.


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    Re: Gwyndolin is a slave (Debunked)

    Post by Isaren on Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:57 pm

    So, going off your Seathe and Oolacile theory, I propose one other thing: a cross-breed daughter between the two. One who dances in the illusionary and has a scaleless white tail? Yes, that would be a Priscilla.

    Sad to say but if you portray Seathe as the mad-scientist father who likes to lock himself away in his laboratory, it would make perfect sense to banish your only half-breed "damned" daughter to some secret world (especially after all the other dragons have been exterminated by the aid of Seathe himself). I guess other things to tie her to Seathe: Priscilla's dagger takes dragon scales to upgrade, she goes invisibile in the fight and the only other "invisible" things in the game are the pathways to Seathe and Oolacile's sorcery. Along with this there's Priscilla's white-scaleless tail and one other tid bit I always looked over: if Seathe's crystal cave is made up of minerals like most crystal.. why is there snow-flakes falling in the cave? And yet, Painted World of Ariamis is snow-covered and also incorporated into Priscilla's fight (her foot prints).

    Only thing I'm having a problem with at the moment is why Oolacile would be banished into Seathe's crystal golems. ... Or who would roast Oolacile's old land. Also, I thought about (the real) Gwynevere being her mother, but if speculators say it's because she's the only one large enough; wouldn't that make Priscilla a lot taller than what she was?

    "Gwyndolin, all too aware of his repulsive, frail appearance, created the illusion of a sister Gwynevere..."
    Also, I'd like to point out that even though this says he created the tig-ol-bitties, I dare say that mister-sister magic and arrows wouldn't have sufficient knowledge to create something like that by himself (imo).

    Sorry for my up-all-night ramblings.. T.T
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    Re: Gwyndolin is a slave (Debunked)

    Post by SEANB240 on Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:55 pm

    Isaren wrote:Also, I thought about (the real) Gwynevere being her mother, but if speculators say it's because she's the only one large enough; wouldn't that make Priscilla a lot taller than what she was?


    For what it's worth, I agree and don't buy that theory at all. For all we know, the real Gwynevere is nowhere near that size. For this theory and logic to work, her mother would also be giant, but if Gwyn is his normal size, that wouldn't make much sense.

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    Re: Gwyndolin is a slave (Debunked)

    Post by menzinho on Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:47 pm

    Spoiler:
    thanks to the new DLC we can see that Seath had absolutely NOTHING to do
    with the fall of Oolacile, however, nothing stops him from going there
    after the dust settles to steal some magical knowledge.

    Also you
    claim Gwyndolin would not be capable of creating a simple illusion of
    his sister... but he was able to sustain the illusion of an endless
    hallway while fighting a murderous Chosen Undead and casting spells at
    the same time, i'd say that someone who can do all that can sustain a
    simple static illusion of a giant hot girl...

    Also those things
    falling in the crystal caves is not snow, otherwise the bridges would be
    covered with it, hence they only hit the ground and dissipate back in
    the air, meaning is some kind of magical flock or something, but not
    snow, that i can guarantee...

    Now onto Priscilla, i agree with
    you there that she has a GREAT possibility to be Seath's daughter, being
    half dragon, but it was confirmed that it was the clerics from the Way
    of White that locked everything (Priscilla included) into the painted
    world


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    Re: Gwyndolin is a slave (Debunked)

    Post by DoughGuy on Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:57 pm

    menzinho wrote:
    Spoiler:
    thanks to the new DLC we can see that Seath had absolutely NOTHING to do with the fall of Oolacile, however, nothing stops him from going there after the dust settles to steal some magical knowledge.
    And this is a perfect example of why the DLC is forcing the old lore people out. Please spoiler anything that is a spoiler!


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    Re: Gwyndolin is a slave (Debunked)

    Post by menzinho on Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:21 pm

    Sorry, but i don't know how to put all that in a box like that XD


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    Re: Gwyndolin is a slave (Debunked)

    Post by SEANB240 on Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:34 pm

    menzinho wrote:Sorry, but i don't know how to put all that in a box like that XD

    Find these keys: [ ]

    Sandwich your spoiler text between two boxes, "spoiler" and "/spoiler".
    So it will look like:

    {spoiler}your text here{/spoiler}

    but instead of those boxes, use [].
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    Re: Gwyndolin is a slave (Debunked)

    Post by samster628 on Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:24 pm

    Spoiler:
    just testing

    i think the painted world was velkas domain due to the suveneer of represal or whatever you get off those crow things and a pardoner (i think there is more than 1) 's stuff.


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    Re: Gwyndolin is a slave (Debunked)

    Post by Shkar on Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:10 pm

    I really think someone should find a way too debate this thought, so I am repeating it. It seems a little strange that From would base their works off every damn thing in existence and leave this out:

    Hm. In most mythologies, Gods have incredible control over the appearance. Maybe Gwyndolin subconsciously MADE himself have those tentacles because he thought he was hideous?


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    Re: Gwyndolin is a slave (Debunked)

    Post by SEANB240 on Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:13 pm

    I always thought he found himself hideous because of the tentacles, but that's just me.
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    Re: Gwyndolin is a slave (Debunked)

    Post by Shkar on Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:16 pm

    SEANB240 wrote:I always thought he found himself hideous because of the tentacles, but that's just me.

    He was a boy who was raised as a girl. This scenario has ACTUALLY HAPPENED in real life, and the kid was absolutely, COMPLETELY traumatized; he ended up committing suicide. That kind of mentality would certainly be enough to make someone go mad enough to think it's their fault and become depressed. When that happens to an actual GOD, who knows what would happen?


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    Re: Gwyndolin is a slave (Debunked)

    Post by SEANB240 on Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:24 pm

    Shkar wrote:
    SEANB240 wrote:I always thought he found himself hideous because of the tentacles, but that's just me.

    He was a boy who was raised as a girl. This scenario has ACTUALLY HAPPENED in real life, and the kid was absolutely, COMPLETELY traumatized; he ended up committing suicide. That kind of mentality would certainly be enough to make someone go mad enough to think it's their fault and become depressed. When that happens to an actual GOD, who knows what would happen?

    How does this prove he gave himself the snakelegs?
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    Re: Gwyndolin is a slave (Debunked)

    Post by Shkar on Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:26 pm

    SEANB240 wrote:
    Shkar wrote:
    SEANB240 wrote:I always thought he found himself hideous because of the tentacles, but that's just me.

    He was a boy who was raised as a girl. This scenario has ACTUALLY HAPPENED in real life, and the kid was absolutely, COMPLETELY traumatized; he ended up committing suicide. That kind of mentality would certainly be enough to make someone go mad enough to think it's their fault and become depressed. When that happens to an actual GOD, who knows what would happen?

    How does this prove he gave himself the snakelegs?

    How does anything prove anything? It was just evidence suggesting that he may have been in the mind frame to do it if he could. We can't PROVE anything about this game. The number of people who still adamantly insist that Solaire is the God of War are proof of that.


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    Re: Gwyndolin is a slave (Debunked)

    Post by SEANB240 on Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:33 pm

    Shkar wrote:

    How does anything prove anything? It was just evidence suggesting that he may have been in the mind frame to do it if he could. We can't PROVE anything about this game. The number of people who still adamantly insist that Solaire is the God of War are proof of that.

    That's true. And on your earlier point, he is a master of illusion, after all.
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    Re: Gwyndolin is a slave (Debunked)

    Post by Shkar on Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:36 pm

    SEANB240 wrote:
    Shkar wrote:

    How does anything prove anything? It was just evidence suggesting that he may have been in the mind frame to do it if he could. We can't PROVE anything about this game. The number of people who still adamantly insist that Solaire is the God of War are proof of that.

    That's true. And on your earlier point, he is a master of illusion, after all.

    Zeus was renowned for being able to change his shape, Loki was turned into a donkey, The Christian/Islamic/Jewish God TACKLED someone in the old testament. Gods typically have all kinds of power over their physical form.

    Although, illusions could be how Gwyndolin did it too. I won't argue that part haha, same basic principle.


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