Katana - Top tier?

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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by N_Raist on Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:33 pm

    Chaos Blade also has the fastest bleed build up for a katana, if I recall correctly.


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Phoenix Rising on Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:39 pm

    N_Raist wrote:Chaos Blade also has the fastest bleed build up for a katana, if I recall correctly.

    Yep. Very effective against turtles, hackers, and Juutas! lol!


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Spurgun on Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:42 pm

    Phoenix Rising wrote:
    N_Raist wrote:Chaos Blade also has the fastest bleed build up for a katana, if I recall correctly.

    Yep. Very effective against turtles, hackers, and Juutas, and dragons! lol!
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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by FinPeku on Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:56 pm

    Spurgun wrote:
    Phoenix Rising wrote:
    N_Raist wrote:Chaos Blade also has the fastest bleed build up for a katana, if I recall correctly.

    Yep. Very effective against turtles, hackers, and Juutas, and dragons! lol!

    We should do "three naked finns" co-op playthrough some day. Too bad Juutas is on xbox.


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Spurgun on Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:57 pm

    Damn, he should get an PS3 silly

    It would be awesome.
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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Ghadis_God on Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:05 pm

    Phoenix Rising wrote:
    Juutas wrote:Doesn't the humanity show in AR? that could explain...

    The humanity shows in AR. Iaito AR is 410. Chaos Blade @ 10 humanity is 452, but the difference in damage is more than that.
    That's because AR works on increasing returns. the 40 damage difference between 410 and 450 equals more real damage than 40 damage difference between 310 and 350 for example. Also, there seems to be a point, right around 450, when weapon damage takes a big jump upward because of this. That's why Greatswords do so much more damage than katanas despite only a 100 AR difference.


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Phoenix Rising on Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:12 pm

    Ghadis_God wrote:
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    Juutas wrote:Doesn't the humanity show in AR? that could explain...

    The humanity shows in AR. Iaito AR is 410. Chaos Blade @ 10 humanity is 452, but the difference in damage is more than that.
    That's because AR works on increasing returns. the 40 damage difference between 410 and 450 equals more real damage than 40 damage difference between 310 and 350 for example. Also, there seems to be a point, right around 450, when weapon damage takes a big jump upward because of this. That's why Greatswords do so much more damage than katanas despite only a 100 AR difference.

    That makes sense to me! Thank you! cheers


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by martyrsbrigade99 on Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:51 pm

    Rin wrote:@martyrsbrigade99 how is the katana over used... ' 80% of PvP players use katanas' lol yeh if you only count dex builds then maby but overall spears are more used then kats :| i have no idea were you pulled 80% from

    Everything in life is "relative." I can only speak on my experiences which must be different than yours. When I'm PvPing, most people use katanas.


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by DamageCK on Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:41 pm

    When I use Kats I go with the Iaito. I used to play with the CB, but it has useless R2's. I see a decent enough variety as far as weapon classes are concerned though. I haven't been duelling at all recently, however. I mostly just gank-hunt in the Kiln. Takin' out the trash, as it were.


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by ICEFANG on Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:54 pm

    I don't see the appeal, but I understand why they are good. I don't find them too good, but if you compare weapons I could see why 'you''d think that. The Spear, even though I don't find it too strong, many players do, and even against turtlers, the bleed won't save you, is just so good against Katana's because of their range really. Katana's are great, but I don't find anything about them crazy. What I think is that they are really solid, and don't require a lot of skill to use (not hating on any weapon or player, but the time it takes to get good with a Katana, I would think, is less than quite a few other weapons), the fact they have an AUX effect is really important, but the most important thing, in my opinion, is that they have great R2's. Many weapon's R2's get you killed, but the Katana's basically have a huge moveset because they rock.

    Top tier? Depends too much on the player, higher tier, I'd say absolutely, they are great weapons. OP tier? No way. I play dragon too, bleed is actually dangerous and I still don't feel they are OP.


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Rifter7 on Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:45 pm

    could you imagine if the iaito had cblades damage?

    that'd be boss..

    btw are we talking about how resists/defenses are calculated? i think i have a link for that kicking around somewhere..


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Juutas on Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:51 pm

    Rifter7 wrote:could you imagine if the iaito had cblades damage?

    that'd be boss..

    btw are we talking about how resists/defenses are calculated? i think i have a link for that kicking around somewhere..

    One can dream right? big grin


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Rifter7 on Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:10 am

    btw juutas, you probably use that thing more than me..

    can you 1h or 2h r2 them after a kick without them escaping with a roll?


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:19 am

    I can't disagree with op, they are excellent weapons. The washing pole in particular is exceptionally dangerous, buffed or elemental.

    This is a japanese game though, katana being some of the better weapons is to be expected.


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by carlucio on Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:31 am

    I think katana is awesome weapon on Real world too, it's like the japanese AK-47.
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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Juutas on Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:50 am

    Rifter7 wrote:btw juutas, you probably use that thing more than me..

    can you 1h or 2h r2 them after a kick without them escaping with a roll?

    If you time it perfectly yes, but only 1h r2 (2h r2 MIGHT hit after the roll if the opponent only makes one roll back since the range is much longer, but it's usually too slow to hit.)


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by DamageCK on Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:03 pm

    Juutas wrote:
    Rifter7 wrote:btw juutas, you probably use that thing more than me..

    can you 1h or 2h r2 them after a kick without them escaping with a roll?

    If you time it perfectly yes, but only 1h r2 (2h r2 MIGHT hit after the roll if the opponent only makes one roll back since the range is much longer, but it's usually too slow to hit.)

    There's a kind of "sweet spot" where if you're at the correct distance and angle, and you do it at the correct time, it can't be blocked or dodged. It's always a hit.


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