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    Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Seignar on Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:51 pm

    Not a question; fact. They have great speed, range, scale with DEX for faster casting speeds, versatile movesets, inflict bleed, are enchantable, weigh little and have little stat requirements all in 1 neat little package.

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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Juutas on Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:52 pm

    Katanas are good, but there are better weapons. I use Iaito katana because it's cool though happy


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by TehInfamousAmos on Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:03 pm

    They are as Fighting game people would say Lag-Tier choices.


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by martyrsbrigade99 on Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:45 pm

    All katanas are overused. 80% of PvP players use katanas. I've never been on the Katana kick and I don't think I ever will. The bleed effect means nothing in my opinion. I've probably been bled out less than 5 times since this game has been released. The speed doesn't necessarily mean anything because katanas are easy to parry. Other than that, it may be one of the easiest weapons to yield, but there many other good weapons out there that are available for experimentation.


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by TehInfamousAmos on Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:48 pm

    Aye - the only issue for me marty is cause I use 0 poise, it gives a nice DeS feeling from the game and I prefer it xD But truthfully it helps remind me of push-locking big grin


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Juutas on Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:55 pm

    TehInfamousAmos wrote:Aye - the only issue for me marty is cause I use 0 poise, it gives a nice DeS feeling from the game and I prefer it xD But truthfully it helps remind me of push-locking big grin

    I go 0 poise too and naked so I have problem with both bleed and stunlock against katanas (usually just Chaos Blade though), but let's just say that I more gladly fight any Katana than Spears, MLGS or Lifehunt Scythe.


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Ghadis_God on Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:21 pm

    I just can't seem to be able to parry Katanas. Rapiers, GS, UGH, BKGA, no problem. But I can't seem to find the timing to parry those bastards. However, I disagree with you Martyrs, actually being bled out is rare but if you block a lot, it's a serious problem, especially in longer duels where two people are evenly matched. It builds up faster than it goes down, and suddenly you realize the two more hits, blocked or not, and 30% of your life is gone. It puts you in a tough situation, I always carry red moss if I'm going to duel.


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by omega Elf on Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:34 pm

    If something is overused I'd say it's a good indicator it's very good. That said
    I've been using the Great Club & Great Axe lately which I don't see used very
    often. Considering how good they are I'm surprised.
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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Phoenix Rising on Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:44 pm

    omega Elf wrote:If something is overused I'd say it's a good indicator it's very good. That said
    I've been using the Great Club & Great Axe lately which I don't see used very
    often. Considering how good they are I'm surprised.
    Off-topic: which do you prefer? I've been using the Great Club but am thinking of switching.


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by omega Elf on Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:48 pm

    Phoenix Rising wrote:
    omega Elf wrote:If something is overused I'd say it's a good indicator it's very good. That said
    I've been using the Great Club & Great Axe lately which I don't see used very
    often. Considering how good they are I'm surprised.
    Off-topic: which do you prefer? I've been using the Great Club but am thinking of switching.

    I prefer the roll-r1 attack of the Great Club
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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Rin on Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:53 pm

    @martyrsbrigade99 how is the katana over used... ' 80% of PvP players use katanas' lol yeh if you only count dex builds then maby but overall spears are more used then kats :| i have no idea were you pulled 80% from


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Juutas on Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:00 pm

    Rin wrote:@martyrsbrigade99 how is the katana over used... ' 80% of PvP players use katanas' lol yeh if you only count dex builds then maby but overall spears are more used then kats :| i have no idea were you pulled 80% from

    Yeah, not my experience either. Yes, katanas are common, but as common as greatscythe, MLGS, BKGA, Claymore or Spears.


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by TehInfamousAmos on Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:05 pm

    I barely see spears - I am rather annoyed by this as they are too easy to beat xD 80% is an overexaggeration - I recorded my matches today and 1/4 of the matches people were using Katanas - 1/2 had a claymore - about 1/10 had GS and surprisingly today only a stunning 1/5th had the BKGA - lemme just say the rapiers are more common - literally everyone had one of those ***!


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Phoenix Rising on Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:12 pm

    Juutas wrote:
    Rin wrote:@martyrsbrigade99 how is the katana over used... ' 80% of PvP players use katanas' lol yeh if you only count dex builds then maby but overall spears are more used then kats :| i have no idea were you pulled 80% from

    Yeah, not my experience either. Yes, katanas are common, but as common as greatscythe, MLGS, BKGA, Claymore or Spears.

    Yeah I see quite a variation in weapons too.


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Glutebrah on Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:28 pm

    Chaos Blade FTW


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Juutas on Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:05 pm

    Chaos Blade and Washingpole are the most common katanas and for a reason.


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Phoenix Rising on Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:10 pm

    Juutas wrote:Chaos Blade and Washingpole are the most common katanas and for a reason.

    Is there a dmg modifier or something for the chaos blade? I've noticed a big difference between the damage from it and the iaito. More than the difference in AR. Or i could just be imagining things...


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Juutas on Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:13 pm

    Phoenix Rising wrote:
    Juutas wrote:Chaos Blade and Washingpole are the most common katanas and for a reason.

    Is there a dmg modifier or something for the chaos blade? I've noticed a big difference between the damage from it and the iaito. More than the difference in AR. Or i could just be imagining things...

    You are not imagining, it makes a lot more dmg than Iaito or Uchi for some reason I don't know.


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Glutebrah on Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:14 pm

    Phoenix Rising wrote:
    Juutas wrote:Chaos Blade and Washingpole are the most common katanas and for a reason.

    Is there a dmg modifier or something for the chaos blade? I've noticed a big difference between the damage from it and the iaito. More than the difference in AR. Or i could just be imagining things...

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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Juutas on Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:16 pm

    Doesn't the humanity show in AR? that could explain...


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Phoenix Rising on Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:23 pm

    Juutas wrote:Doesn't the humanity show in AR? that could explain...

    The humanity shows in AR. Iaito AR is 410. Chaos Blade @ 10 humanity is 452, but the difference in damage is more than that.


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by OrnsteinBro on Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:28 pm

    Katanas are definitely top tier. In a match where you can only do running R1s.

    Apart from that, they're good against turtles and heavier weapons, so they make for a balanced weapon. Really though it's the running R1s that hit from a mile away which make them such good weapons.


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Rudmed on Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:29 pm

    The humanity shows in AR. Iaito AR is 410. Chaos Blade @ 10 humanity is 452, but the difference in damage is more than that.

    Possibly different resistances for each target?


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Phoenix Rising on Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:46 pm

    Rudmed wrote:
    The humanity shows in AR. Iaito AR is 410. Chaos Blade @ 10 humanity is 452, but the difference in damage is more than that.

    Possibly different resistances for each target?

    It's a possibility....


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    Re: Katana - Top tier?

    Post by Rudmed on Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:50 pm

    Also depends on the sub-scaling of each weapon, and the different upgrade paths etc. Perhaps if you narrowed down what you're comparing you will find your answer.

    Also humanity gives a 7% damage scaling at 10 humanity, but this is just what I read from some dude. Don't quote me on it.


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